Comments on: Golden rule: Do unto others according to the “pagans” http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/03/07/golden-rule-do-unto-others-according-to-the-pagans/ Religions of the Ancient Mediterranean houses my podcast, websites, blog, and publications, providing an entryway into social and religious life among Greeks, Romans, Jews, Christians, and others in the Roman empire. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:14:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Early Modern Notes » History Carnival 50 http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/03/07/golden-rule-do-unto-others-according-to-the-pagans/comment-page-1/#comment-20974 Early Modern Notes » History Carnival 50 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:10:52 +0000 http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/03/07/golden-rule-do-unto-others-according-to-the-pagans/#comment-20974 [...] Steve Muhlberger takes a look at The crucial military role of horses 1815, followed up by Brad DeLong, where it set off a vigorous discussion in the comments, in What the horsemen did 1815. Evan Roberts reminds us of When winter would kill you. Phil Harland takes on some of the myths about savage pagans: Golden Rule: do unto others according to the pagans. [...] [...] Steve Muhlberger takes a look at The crucial military role of horses 1815, followed up by Brad DeLong, where it set off a vigorous discussion in the comments, in What the horsemen did 1815. Evan Roberts reminds us of When winter would kill you. Phil Harland takes on some of the myths about savage pagans: Golden Rule: do unto others according to the pagans. [...]

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]]> By: Phil H http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/03/07/golden-rule-do-unto-others-according-to-the-pagans/comment-page-1/#comment-19946 Phil H Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:55:04 +0000 http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/03/07/golden-rule-do-unto-others-according-to-the-pagans/#comment-19946 Hello again Loren, I just realized that Hierocles comes a bit closer to your Platinum rule: "Treat anybody whatsoever as though you supposed that he were you and you he." The interchangeability factor here may fit better with the idea that you need to anticipate how the other person wants to be treated (empathy), rather than just assuming that someone else is the same as you and doing what you want (as you are interpreting Jesus' golden rule). Not to put down Jesus or anything! Phil Hello again Loren,

I just realized that Hierocles comes a bit closer to your Platinum rule: “Treat anybody whatsoever as though you supposed that he were you and you he.” The interchangeability factor here may fit better with the idea that you need to anticipate how the other person wants to be treated (empathy), rather than just assuming that someone else is the same as you and doing what you want (as you are interpreting Jesus’ golden rule). Not to put down Jesus or anything!

Phil

]]> By: Phil H http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/03/07/golden-rule-do-unto-others-according-to-the-pagans/comment-page-1/#comment-19945 Phil H Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:49:28 +0000 http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/03/07/golden-rule-do-unto-others-according-to-the-pagans/#comment-19945 Hello Loren, In reality, I wasn't trying to give anyone credit, but rather to avoid modern people dismissing the pagans (giving them undue discredit, if you will). My final couple of sentences about "wisdom" may have hinted at the "good press" you are indicating (take it as rhetorical, if you like). If I were to engage fully in moralizing or establishing the basis of moralizing myself (rather than doing my quasi-academic stuff here), I'm not sure that I would fully agree with the views you previously expressed on your blog on this issue. However, in real life I am certainly not against the Platinum rule either (which clearly takes the Golden rule as its basis or evolutionary predecessor)! Gold card . . . platinum card . . . is there really a difference? The real question is does the card have airmiles too;) Thanks. Phil Hello Loren,

In reality, I wasn’t trying to give anyone credit, but rather to avoid modern people dismissing the pagans (giving them undue discredit, if you will). My final couple of sentences about “wisdom” may have hinted at the “good press” you are indicating (take it as rhetorical, if you like). If I were to engage fully in moralizing or establishing the basis of moralizing myself (rather than doing my quasi-academic stuff here), I’m not sure that I would fully agree with the views you previously expressed on your blog on this issue. However, in real life I am certainly not against the Platinum rule either (which clearly takes the Golden rule as its basis or evolutionary predecessor)! Gold card . . . platinum card . . . is there really a difference? The real question is does the card have airmiles too;)

Thanks. Phil

]]> By: Loren Rosson III http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/03/07/golden-rule-do-unto-others-according-to-the-pagans/comment-page-1/#comment-19943 Loren Rosson III Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:27:07 +0000 http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/03/07/golden-rule-do-unto-others-according-to-the-pagans/#comment-19943 Historically speaking, this is all fine, and I agree with you. But I'm not so sure you're giving the pagans good press. The Golden Rule is flawed in principle, because it presumes that everyone wants to be treated the same way. The modern Platinum Rule is better: treat others how <i>they</i> want to be treated. Historically speaking, this is all fine, and I agree with you. But I’m not so sure you’re giving the pagans good press. The Golden Rule is flawed in principle, because it presumes that everyone wants to be treated the same way. The modern Platinum Rule is better: treat others how they want to be treated.

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