Comments on: April D. DeConick’s The Thirteenth Apostle: What the Gospel of Judas Really Says http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/11/23/april-d-deconicks-the-thirteenth-apostle-what-the-gospel-of-judas-really-says/ Religions of the Ancient Mediterranean houses my podcast, websites, blog, and publications, providing an entryway into social and religious life among Greeks, Romans, Jews, Christians, and others in the Roman empire. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:14:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: John Stewart http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/11/23/april-d-deconicks-the-thirteenth-apostle-what-the-gospel-of-judas-really-says/comment-page-1/#comment-115613 John Stewart Sun, 11 Jan 2009 04:51:46 +0000 http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/11/23/april-d-deconicks-the-thirteenth-apostle-what-the-gospel-of-judas-really-says/#comment-115613 Here is Marvin Meyer's response: http://www.chapman.edu/images/userImages/mattmill/Page_11769/13th_daimon_FINAL-11408.pdf In short, he finds the idea of a gospel-parody fairly far-fetched. I see you list some jokes on your blog. Is there an ancient genre of parody that supports DeConick's proposal? Here is Marvin Meyer’s response:

http://www.chapman.edu/images/userImages/mattmill/Page_11769/13th_daimon_FINAL-11408.pdf

In short, he finds the idea of a gospel-parody fairly far-fetched. I see you list some jokes on your blog. Is there an ancient genre of parody that supports DeConick’s proposal?

]]> By: Phil Harland http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/11/23/april-d-deconicks-the-thirteenth-apostle-what-the-gospel-of-judas-really-says/comment-page-1/#comment-68032 Phil Harland Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:41:16 +0000 http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/11/23/april-d-deconicks-the-thirteenth-apostle-what-the-gospel-of-judas-really-says/#comment-68032 Hello Liz, I am confused by your comment as well. The review suggests that the translations proposed by DeConick seem convincing. The critique towards the end has nothing to do with the translation of the Gospel of Judas. Instead it deals with some of DeConick's own terminology in her discussion about the context of the Gospel of Judas. Perhaps re-read the post, but this clarification may help too. Phil H. Hello Liz,

I am confused by your comment as well. The review suggests that the translations proposed by DeConick seem convincing. The critique towards the end has nothing to do with the translation of the Gospel of Judas. Instead it deals with some of DeConick’s own terminology in her discussion about the context of the Gospel of Judas.

Perhaps re-read the post, but this clarification may help too.

Phil H.

]]> By: Liz http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/11/23/april-d-deconicks-the-thirteenth-apostle-what-the-gospel-of-judas-really-says/comment-page-1/#comment-67947 Liz Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:06:45 +0000 http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/11/23/april-d-deconicks-the-thirteenth-apostle-what-the-gospel-of-judas-really-says/#comment-67947 So are you saying that DeConick is wrong about the corrections she makes to the Judas translation? I thought I understood your post till I read your comments. Now I'm confused. So are you saying that DeConick is wrong about the corrections she makes to the Judas translation? I thought I understood your post till I read your comments. Now I’m confused.

]]> By: Phil Harland http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/11/23/april-d-deconicks-the-thirteenth-apostle-what-the-gospel-of-judas-really-says/comment-page-1/#comment-54447 Phil Harland Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:44:35 +0000 http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/11/23/april-d-deconicks-the-thirteenth-apostle-what-the-gospel-of-judas-really-says/#comment-54447 Hello Murray, Actually quite the opposite thing is happening. In the case of DeConick, I am suggesting that the problem is anachronistic terminology that distracts from understanding historical phenomena. In the case of Mason, Mason is trying to introduce historically accurate concepts that prevent misunderstandings based on problematic terminology. In other words, Mason is trying to do away with anachronistic terminology. Hope this clarifies things for you. Phil H. Hello Murray,

Actually quite the opposite thing is happening. In the case of DeConick, I am suggesting that the problem is anachronistic terminology that distracts from understanding historical phenomena. In the case of Mason, Mason is trying to introduce historically accurate concepts that prevent misunderstandings based on problematic terminology. In other words, Mason is trying to do away with anachronistic terminology.

Hope this clarifies things for you.

Phil H.

]]> By: Murray Wilcox http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/11/23/april-d-deconicks-the-thirteenth-apostle-what-the-gospel-of-judas-really-says/comment-page-1/#comment-54380 Murray Wilcox Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:30:31 +0000 http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/11/23/april-d-deconicks-the-thirteenth-apostle-what-the-gospel-of-judas-really-says/#comment-54380 Might Elliot's & Mason's preference of the term "Judean" be just as confusing as April's use of "apostolic Christians"? I still can't but into that one! Might Elliot’s & Mason’s preference of the term “Judean” be just as confusing as April’s use of “apostolic Christians”? I still can’t but into that one!

]]> By: Religions of the Ancient Mediterranean » Judas Iscariot as the “good guy”?: The Gospel of Judas(Philip A. Harland) http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/11/23/april-d-deconicks-the-thirteenth-apostle-what-the-gospel-of-judas-really-says/comment-page-1/#comment-54083 Religions of the Ancient Mediterranean » Judas Iscariot as the “good guy”?: The Gospel of Judas(Philip A. Harland) Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:17:44 +0000 http://www.philipharland.com/Blog/2007/11/23/april-d-deconicks-the-thirteenth-apostle-what-the-gospel-of-judas-really-says/#comment-54083 [...] April D. DeConick’s The Thirteenth Apostle: What the Gospel of Judas Really Says [...] [...] April D. DeConick’s The Thirteenth Apostle: What the Gospel of Judas Really Says [...]

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