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	<title>Comments on: Transferring LPs to CD made easy &#8211; A guide (by Phil Harland)</title>
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	<description>Phil's thoughts and critical commentary on whatever music he is listening to, especially vinyl records.  If you're interested in the history of rock and roll or jazz, then you'll find something here.</description>
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		<title>By: jasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,
Fantastic job!  I got started ripping in 2006 and through trial and error discovered much of what you have written about.  I only wish I had known more of it at the start because I will probably go back and re rip most of my collection. Your blog is probably saving hundreds of folks, thousands of hours. 
Your observation on the sound card has me most worried.  I have been using the cards in three different Macs... G3 laptop, G4 laptop and G4 desktop. I use Amadeus on the macs for the ripping and editing.  My dad recently suggested I look into a Turtlebeach USB product.  Any insight on these? I suppose there is value in &quot;matching&quot; the relative quality of the other components which in my case is a B&amp;O 3404 with the MMC 20EN cartridge, Yamaha 1000 Receiver, Jolida (tube) CD player and some Advents.  I plan to upgrade the speakers someday but probably will stick with the rest of the setup.  Is there a good way to evaluate the quality upgrade I might expect with  a better card?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,<br />
Fantastic job!  I got started ripping in 2006 and through trial and error discovered much of what you have written about.  I only wish I had known more of it at the start because I will probably go back and re rip most of my collection. Your blog is probably saving hundreds of folks, thousands of hours.<br />
Your observation on the sound card has me most worried.  I have been using the cards in three different Macs&#8230; G3 laptop, G4 laptop and G4 desktop. I use Amadeus on the macs for the ripping and editing.  My dad recently suggested I look into a Turtlebeach USB product.  Any insight on these? I suppose there is value in &#8220;matching&#8221; the relative quality of the other components which in my case is a B&amp;O 3404 with the MMC 20EN cartridge, Yamaha 1000 Receiver, Jolida (tube) CD player and some Advents.  I plan to upgrade the speakers someday but probably will stick with the rest of the setup.  Is there a good way to evaluate the quality upgrade I might expect with  a better card?</p>
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		<title>By: pharland</title>
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		<dc:creator>pharland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Bill,

Thanks so much for your comments here.  Clickrepair is quite accurate in its work (without affecting anything but the clicks) and does not require lengthy editing times, so you may want to try it.

Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Bill,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your comments here.  Clickrepair is quite accurate in its work (without affecting anything but the clicks) and does not require lengthy editing times, so you may want to try it.</p>
<p>Phil</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Burdick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Burdick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 00:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent overview and primer; thanks.

For recording I use a B&amp;O 3404 turntable with a MMC 20EN cartridge (I use a nearly new cartridge for digitizing vinyl) and a Sound Blaster Audigy 2.0 sound card.

For post processing, I use Adobe Audition 2.0.  My process for removing clicks, pops, noise, etc. is to view the recording spectra (Spectral Frequency Display) and then remove undesired defects using the &quot;Repair Transient&quot; function.  It is a VERY time consuming process but it results in virtually noise-free results.  In particular, I found that in order to get superior results, I have to identify and repair/remove defects as small as two to three milliseconds.  As a rule of thumb, I estimate 30 minutes of post processing time for every 1 minute of recording time AND that&#039;s for the average quality LP.

For example, I digitized Thelonious Monk&#039;s &quot;Always Know&quot;, two LP set.  The first track is about two minutes in length.  Removing the clicks, pops, etc. from that single track took nearly 40 minutes!  Well worth it because &quot;Always Know&quot; was an is currently not available for sale in digital format.

Lacking the hard to find/out of print CD, one of my first efforts was to digitize &quot;Lets Have a Party&quot; by Roomful of Blues.  Subsequent to spending a few hours on that labor of love, I came across a copy of the CD.  I compared my digitized version to the CD on my high end audio equipment and found the overall sound quality of the digitized vinyl superior to the CD.  I attribute that to (a) the quality of my post processing and (b) the CD was not remastered for CD, i.e., there are times when digitized vinyl is better and there are times when its not; your mileage may vary :-)

My advice - if you can buy a recording in digital format save your self a LOT of time and avoid digitizing LPs and other analog formated recordings.

Also, I found ClickFix click and pop removal software to be easy to use and lightning fast but provide inferior results, compared to what I could/can do using Adobe Audition. i.e., ClickFix is easy and fast but it either removes too little noise, too much music, or both.  If audio restoration was akin to surgery, Audition would equate to using a scalpel; ClickFix would be equivalent to using an axe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent overview and primer; thanks.</p>
<p>For recording I use a B&amp;O 3404 turntable with a MMC 20EN cartridge (I use a nearly new cartridge for digitizing vinyl) and a Sound Blaster Audigy 2.0 sound card.</p>
<p>For post processing, I use Adobe Audition 2.0.  My process for removing clicks, pops, noise, etc. is to view the recording spectra (Spectral Frequency Display) and then remove undesired defects using the &#8220;Repair Transient&#8221; function.  It is a VERY time consuming process but it results in virtually noise-free results.  In particular, I found that in order to get superior results, I have to identify and repair/remove defects as small as two to three milliseconds.  As a rule of thumb, I estimate 30 minutes of post processing time for every 1 minute of recording time AND that&#8217;s for the average quality LP.</p>
<p>For example, I digitized Thelonious Monk&#8217;s &#8220;Always Know&#8221;, two LP set.  The first track is about two minutes in length.  Removing the clicks, pops, etc. from that single track took nearly 40 minutes!  Well worth it because &#8220;Always Know&#8221; was an is currently not available for sale in digital format.</p>
<p>Lacking the hard to find/out of print CD, one of my first efforts was to digitize &#8220;Lets Have a Party&#8221; by Roomful of Blues.  Subsequent to spending a few hours on that labor of love, I came across a copy of the CD.  I compared my digitized version to the CD on my high end audio equipment and found the overall sound quality of the digitized vinyl superior to the CD.  I attribute that to (a) the quality of my post processing and (b) the CD was not remastered for CD, i.e., there are times when digitized vinyl is better and there are times when its not; your mileage may vary :-)</p>
<p>My advice &#8211; if you can buy a recording in digital format save your self a LOT of time and avoid digitizing LPs and other analog formated recordings.</p>
<p>Also, I found ClickFix click and pop removal software to be easy to use and lightning fast but provide inferior results, compared to what I could/can do using Adobe Audition. i.e., ClickFix is easy and fast but it either removes too little noise, too much music, or both.  If audio restoration was akin to surgery, Audition would equate to using a scalpel; ClickFix would be equivalent to using an axe.</p>
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		<title>By: John Titmus</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Titmus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Great stuff. I have been using &quot;Magix Audio Cleaning Lab&quot; which is excellent. The software isn&#039;t free but well worth what I paid for it. What I really like on the software is the function that has automatic dropdown settings, like &quot;Convert from fair vinyl&quot;, &quot;Convert from really bad vinyl&quot;, etc. This makes it very simple by just selecting and then a single click will &quot;clean&quot;. Great stuff!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Great stuff. I have been using &#8220;Magix Audio Cleaning Lab&#8221; which is excellent. The software isn&#8217;t free but well worth what I paid for it. What I really like on the software is the function that has automatic dropdown settings, like &#8220;Convert from fair vinyl&#8221;, &#8220;Convert from really bad vinyl&#8221;, etc. This makes it very simple by just selecting and then a single click will &#8220;clean&#8221;. Great stuff!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Phil, just stumbled across your blog. Thanks a lot for the helpful tips and pointing out the resources. Time to get serious about digitizing my collection :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Phil, just stumbled across your blog. Thanks a lot for the helpful tips and pointing out the resources. Time to get serious about digitizing my collection :-)</p>
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		<title>By: pharland</title>
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		<dc:creator>pharland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of DVD concert video to audio-only wave transfers, maybe I should post on how I do that.  It certainly puts those live DVD concerts into my listening circulation when they usually gather dust.  Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of DVD concert video to audio-only wave transfers, maybe I should post on how I do that.  It certainly puts those live DVD concerts into my listening circulation when they usually gather dust.  Phil</p>
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		<title>By: pharland</title>
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		<dc:creator>pharland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jack,

Thanks for sharing your experience with the transferring.  I am finding a significant difference between 24 bit (which I now always use) and 16 bit, but can&#039;t tell much of a difference between 44100 and 96000 (so I&#039;ve been sticking to 44100, or 48000 for DVD concerts to wave transfers).

Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jack,</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your experience with the transferring.  I am finding a significant difference between 24 bit (which I now always use) and 16 bit, but can&#8217;t tell much of a difference between 44100 and 96000 (so I&#8217;ve been sticking to 44100, or 48000 for DVD concerts to wave transfers).</p>
<p>Phil</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Dobson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Dobson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Phil, In 2004, whilst fighting a serious illness, I decided to digitalise my large vinyl collection, to occupy my mind. After 6 months or so I switched from the 16/44 format to 24/96 to keep abreast of improving technology. The whole vinyl to digital exercise took 2 years or so. I then switched to converting and improving my horrible 1983-1990 CDs. Downloaded FLAC files were also processed
The result is hundreds of home-produced DVD-Audio discs in both &quot;CD&quot; and &quot;HD&quot; format.
For several years I displayed a similar on-line technical help page to yours.
I enjoyed reading your text and the knowledge that I am not alone in the world.
Best Wishes and Thanks, Jack. (septuagenarian)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Phil, In 2004, whilst fighting a serious illness, I decided to digitalise my large vinyl collection, to occupy my mind. After 6 months or so I switched from the 16/44 format to 24/96 to keep abreast of improving technology. The whole vinyl to digital exercise took 2 years or so. I then switched to converting and improving my horrible 1983-1990 CDs. Downloaded FLAC files were also processed<br />
The result is hundreds of home-produced DVD-Audio discs in both &#8220;CD&#8221; and &#8220;HD&#8221; format.<br />
For several years I displayed a similar on-line technical help page to yours.<br />
I enjoyed reading your text and the knowledge that I am not alone in the world.<br />
Best Wishes and Thanks, Jack. (septuagenarian)</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Edlen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Edlen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add the iRecord in place of the computer sound card.  It makes it much more convenient for me at least.  I&#039;ve posted about my experience with my little white box on my blog.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add the iRecord in place of the computer sound card.  It makes it much more convenient for me at least.  I&#8217;ve posted about my experience with my little white box on my blog.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: pharland</title>
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		<dc:creator>pharland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello vomitgod,  Glad I could be of some help.  Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello vomitgod,  Glad I could be of some help.  Phil</p>
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		<title>By: pharland</title>
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		<dc:creator>pharland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Daniel,

Sorry I took so long to respond.  As to your question, I believe that the quality of soundcard will be important either way (analogue or digital, although there will be less conversion involved in your planned approach).

Thanks for the suggestion re FLAC.  I&#039;ll check it out.

Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Daniel,</p>
<p>Sorry I took so long to respond.  As to your question, I believe that the quality of soundcard will be important either way (analogue or digital, although there will be less conversion involved in your planned approach).</p>
<p>Thanks for the suggestion re FLAC.  I&#8217;ll check it out.</p>
<p>Phil</p>
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		<title>By: pharland</title>
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		<dc:creator>pharland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello xanthe,

Glad you&#039;re finding audacity works well.

Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello xanthe,</p>
<p>Glad you&#8217;re finding audacity works well.</p>
<p>Phil</p>
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		<title>By: xanthe</title>
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		<dc:creator>xanthe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi Phil

I&#039;ve just started using Audacity to transfer my LP&#039;s and I totally agree that it&#039;s a great programme and the results are brilliant. I even think the &#039;Click repair&#039; works pretty well too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi Phil</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just started using Audacity to transfer my LP&#8217;s and I totally agree that it&#8217;s a great programme and the results are brilliant. I even think the &#8216;Click repair&#8217; works pretty well too!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this nice little guide! I&#039;m planning to start transferring my Vinyls too, so it&#039;s going to be a big help. But I have two questions:

My built-in soundcard has a digital audio input, so I am planning to get the music from my amp to my PC digitally. Does the quality of the built-in soundcard still matter when doing this?
And secondly, my turntable is a direct-drive Technics SL-6. It has a parallel/tangential tonearm driven by an electronic servomechanism. How does such a model rack up in terms of audio quality?

And then I might have one suggestion for you: instead of using WAVE or AIFF, I suggest you try FLAC. It is a lossless compression format, also supporting 32-bit sampling, and it is widely supported. Audacity can export to it, most media players can play it, and even my portable MP3 player supports it. Quality will be the same as for WAVE files, but the files are about half the size. It&#039;s the equivalent of a ZIP compression, but optimised for audio data.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this nice little guide! I&#8217;m planning to start transferring my Vinyls too, so it&#8217;s going to be a big help. But I have two questions:</p>
<p>My built-in soundcard has a digital audio input, so I am planning to get the music from my amp to my PC digitally. Does the quality of the built-in soundcard still matter when doing this?<br />
And secondly, my turntable is a direct-drive Technics SL-6. It has a parallel/tangential tonearm driven by an electronic servomechanism. How does such a model rack up in terms of audio quality?</p>
<p>And then I might have one suggestion for you: instead of using WAVE or AIFF, I suggest you try FLAC. It is a lossless compression format, also supporting 32-bit sampling, and it is widely supported. Audacity can export to it, most media players can play it, and even my portable MP3 player supports it. Quality will be the same as for WAVE files, but the files are about half the size. It&#8217;s the equivalent of a ZIP compression, but optimised for audio data.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: vomitgod</title>
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		<dc:creator>vomitgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome blog, Phil! :)

I&#039;m doing a high-res drop of Cobham&#039;s &quot;Spectrum&quot; right now and was looking for info on whether/not to use &quot;Pitch Protection&quot; w/Click Repair and/or utilize the presets.  I&#039;ll give it a shot at level 30 w/pitch protection and see what gives.

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome blog, Phil! :)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m doing a high-res drop of Cobham&#8217;s &#8220;Spectrum&#8221; right now and was looking for info on whether/not to use &#8220;Pitch Protection&#8221; w/Click Repair and/or utilize the presets.  I&#8217;ll give it a shot at level 30 w/pitch protection and see what gives.</p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem. Glad you found it helpful.  Phil H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem. Glad you found it helpful.  Phil H.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Lindsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 17:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this excellent info.  I am hoping to start transferring some of my 350 albums to digital soon.  I just bought a new stylus for my turntable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this excellent info.  I am hoping to start transferring some of my 350 albums to digital soon.  I just bought a new stylus for my turntable.</p>
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