{"id":9685,"date":"2022-10-12T09:24:42","date_gmt":"2022-10-12T13:24:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.philipharland.com\/Blog\/?p=9685"},"modified":"2024-05-05T10:45:47","modified_gmt":"2024-05-05T14:45:47","slug":"judeans-kleomedes-denigrates-epicurus-and-judeans-second-century-ce","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.philipharland.com\/Blog\/2022\/10\/judeans-kleomedes-denigrates-epicurus-and-judeans-second-century-ce\/","title":{"rendered":"Judeans: Kleomedes denigrates Epicurus and Judeans (second century CE)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><i><b>Author: <\/b><\/i>Kleomedes, <em>Things in the Heavens<\/em>, or <em>Caelistia<\/em>\u00a02.489-503 (<a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/kleomedouskyklik00cleo\/page\/36\/mode\/2up\">link to Greek text<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p><i><b>Comments: <\/b><\/i>Kleomedes (or: Cleomedes) was a Stoic philosopher who is only known through his surviving work on astrology or astronomy, <em>Things in the Heavens<\/em> (likely second century CE). Among his principal targets are the views and approach of the philosopher Epicurus. In this passage aimed at critiquing Epicurus for his use of sexually-charged language in discussing physics and philosophy, Kleomedes lists other contexts in which such &#8220;disgusting&#8221; language is ostensibly used, culminating with his claim that those who gather in a Judean (Jewish) prayer-house, like Epicurus, are &#8220;debased&#8221; and &#8220;lower than snakes.&#8221;\u00a0 Although the comparison is brief, this is among the most starkly negative and violent characterizations of Judeans (Jews) in ancient ethnographic materials as Judeans are placed at the very bottom of a hierarchy, beneath the lowest of animals.<\/p>\n<p>\u2017\u2017\u2017\u2017\u2017\u2017\u2017<\/p>\n<p>[Epicurus\u2019] mode of expression is also colourfully corrupt, speaking about \u201cstable states of the flesh\u201d and, concerning this, \u201ctrustworthy hopes.\u201d He calls a tear a \u201cglistening of the eyes,\u201d and talks about \u201csacred outcries,\u201d \u201ctitillations of the body\u201d and \u201cdebaucheries\u201d and other such terrible abominations. It might be said that some of these expressions come from brothels; others are similar to what is said by women in celebrating the rites of Demeter at the Thesmophoria; and, still others come from the middle of the prayer-house (<em>proseuch\u0113<\/em>) and the beggars of its courtyards \u2013 something Judean, debased, and far lower than snakes! But even though he [Epicurus] is like this in his words and teachings, he is still not ashamed to list himself with Pythagoras, Herakleitos, and Socrates, even thinking he is worthy to occupy the \ufb01rst place among them . . . [<em>remainder of critique of Epicurus omitted<\/em>].<\/p>\n<p>\u2017\u2017\u2017\u2017\u2017\u2017\u2017<\/p>\n<p><i><b>Source of the translation: <\/b><\/i>Translation by Harland.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Author: Kleomedes, Things in the Heavens, or Caelistia\u00a02.489-503 (link to Greek text). Comments: Kleomedes (or: Cleomedes) was a Stoic philosopher who is only known through his surviving work on astrology or astronomy, Things in the Heavens (likely second century CE). Among his principal targets are the views and approach of the philosopher Epicurus. 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